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did it contribute to releasing the fbi investigation about his affair? we just don't know now. >> suzanne what do you make of that? there is a lot of chatter about benghazi? >> i push back a little bit. i take a very cautious approach about the benghazi effort. the person sitting in the hot seat and will aanswer the questions will be mike morrow, and he's been very closely involved in the investigation from the beginning, putting together the cia's timeline and whatnot. the president, if he really needed a fall guy for benghazi, it would have happened before the election. someone to sort of say, i messed up. i don't think we've seen any strong evidence yet that the cia makes such fatal mistakes in benghazi, that someone had to take a fall like this. so significant, you really have to have a strong body of evidence to prove something like that. >> the question of the timing is really interesting. i just -- if this investigation has been going on for a long time and we don't know, but it's hard to believe that the administration, that the white house would
did it contribute to releasing the fbi investigation about his affair? we just don't know now. >> suzanne what do you make of that? there is a lot of chatter about benghazi? >> i push back a little bit. i take a very cautious approach about the benghazi effort. the person sitting in the hot seat and will aanswer the questions will be mike morrow, and he's been very closely involved in the investigation from the beginning, putting together the cia's timeline and whatnot. the...
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intelligence official, but it is unclear when the fbi probe began. >> the fbi director had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest date, so it has been going on for several months it seems and now it appears that they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it does not add up. >> reporter: among the other questions, why weren't key lawmakers told sooner? the house and the senate intelligence committees were not informed until friday. >> are you going to investigate why the fbi did not notify you before? >> yes, absolutely. this is something that could have had an effect on national security. i think that we should have been told. >> reporter: not everyone on the hill was totally in the dark. house majority leader eric cantor said an fbi employee told him about petraeus' affair and a possible security breach in october after the investigation had begun. a u.s. official says that the general's communications were never compromised and he was never the target of the investigation. another issue
intelligence official, but it is unclear when the fbi probe began. >> the fbi director had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest date, so it has been going on for several months it seems and now it appears that they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it does not add up. >> reporter: among the other questions, why weren't key lawmakers told sooner? the house and the senate...
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the fbi was investigating allegations that petraeus was having an affair with his biographer. the official says there were concerns an affair could make petraeus subject to blackmail. >>> a train derailment near the myanmar border killed 25 people. the train was hauling cars filled with gasoline and diesel fuel when it overturned near a station. people ran up to collect some of that fuel, three derailed cars caught fire trapping them. another 62 were injured. >>> the united nations has declared today as malala day. they're honoring that pakistani girl shot in the head. now a month later, she is recovering well at a british hospital and people from all over the world have sent her cards to wish her a fast recovery. >>> after the headlines, these stories are trending now on cnn.com today. it looks like some post election fallout. an ohio coal company says they have been forced to lay off 160 workers. it blames the bleak economic prospect facing the coal industry as the president heads into his second term. they include pending epa regulations and the possibility of new taxes it
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earlier i asked why would the fbi investigate cia e-mails. >> because the fbi has jurisdiction if someone uses the internet to threat another person, so that's where the investigation began. it was not against director petraeus. it was because threats were being received over the internet and since they're coming in to someone working at cia headquarters and particularly in the executive area, that prompted the fbi to go ahead and investigate the threat. >> okay, so the big concern here then, that an outsider could have access quite simply to sensitive information and intelligence. >> well, that's the concern, when it starts, but when you look into that, in the cia or fbi headquarters or any of the intel agencies, often you have dual computer systems to that you can receive outside e-mails because someone might send a complaint over the public internet service providers, and then of course you have the classified e-mail systems internally, and they're completely separate, but the fact that someone's receiving a threat at that level, they have to investigate and look at the nature of the t
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me at fbi headquarters. fbi has senior officials embedded throughout cia headquarters and working together in the field. the cia is well aware that if an allegation is made against minimum, whether it's here in the cia or they're somewhere else in the government, that's the fbi's responsibility, and they have the jurisdiction to look at the matter, on visit the matter. this is not based on, you know -- again, the fbi begins its investigation. they have no clue that it's going to lead to someone at the cia, so this is -- the thing about animosity with the cia is in this matter particularly ridiculous. >> david petraeus visit security clearance on cnm.com for more information. >>> still thousands of folks without power. across ten states, recovering from superstorm sandy taking longer, much longer accident than people had hoped. >> god is with us, and we know we're going to have help soon. i trust in our government, you know, we're going to have help soon, and everything is going to be all right. ♪ ♪ we're
me at fbi headquarters. fbi has senior officials embedded throughout cia headquarters and working together in the field. the cia is well aware that if an allegation is made against minimum, whether it's here in the cia or they're somewhere else in the government, that's the fbi's responsibility, and they have the jurisdiction to look at the matter, on visit the matter. this is not based on, you know -- again, the fbi begins its investigation. they have no clue that it's going to lead to someone...
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>> i refer you to the fbi. they have as i understand it, protocols in place for when they notify the legislative and executive branchs of the investigations. and you know, it is simply a fact that the white house was not aware of the situation regarding general patreaus until wednesday and the situation regarding general allen until friday. so, you know, the fbi's a place to guy in terms of explanation of the protocols they follow. i understand that is the answer that they will give, that there are protocols they follow that govern how they inform the various branchs of government of the investigations. >> do you think people think it's utterly bizarre, the day after the election and anger on capitol hill? the time, at least the appearance? >> look, all i can tell you is, when the white house was informed and i would let the relevant members of congress explain to you how and when they were informed. my understanding is there are protocols the fbi follows with regards to these notifications and i would refer yo
>> i refer you to the fbi. they have as i understand it, protocols in place for when they notify the legislative and executive branchs of the investigations. and you know, it is simply a fact that the white house was not aware of the situation regarding general patreaus until wednesday and the situation regarding general allen until friday. so, you know, the fbi's a place to guy in terms of explanation of the protocols they follow. i understand that is the answer that they will give, that...
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it's an fbi affair that's sounding alarms. the fbi was investigating some suspicious e-mails and found some e-mails between paula broadwell and david petraeus. broadwell is the woman who wrote his biography. the fbi looks to see whether his communications had been compromised, and they said they had not been. now, petraeus was interviewed by the fbi, but it's not clear if broadwell has been questioned and if she will be. a u.s. official said petraeus was never a target of an investigation and that a tip about an affair led to that probe. now, general petraeus was scheduled to testify next week about the attack on the u.s. consulate in libya. now what happens now that he's gone? suzanne kelly is in washington with that part of this big story. >> susan, as washington reels from the announcement not only that david petraeus is stepping down from the post, but also from the admission he was having an extramarital affair, a u.s. official has said the counter intelligence unit was investigating a tip that he was having an affair bec
it's an fbi affair that's sounding alarms. the fbi was investigating some suspicious e-mails and found some e-mails between paula broadwell and david petraeus. broadwell is the woman who wrote his biography. the fbi looks to see whether his communications had been compromised, and they said they had not been. now, petraeus was interviewed by the fbi, but it's not clear if broadwell has been questioned and if she will be. a u.s. official said petraeus was never a target of an investigation and...
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he put it all on the fbi. >> the fbi has its own protocalls in terms of how they proceed and i'm going to let director mueller and others examine these protocalls and make some statements to the public. >> now, the fbi is facing intense criticism over its handling of the investigation. perhaps, that's why robert mueller made an unexpected visit to capitol hill today to answer questions. at issue is the timeline of ooechblts and why it took as long as as it did for the pyeatt to find out that the nation's chief intelligence person was under investigation. let's just go through this timeline again. it started in may. the fbi at that time first started looking into anonymous harassing e-mails sent to jill kelley. that's where agent humphries comes in. it was late in the summer when high level officials at the fbi and justice department were told that their investigation had also uncovered an affair between david petraeus and his biographer, paula broadwell. it's not clear when mueller and holder were notified, but in mid october, the fbi interviewed paula broadwell and david petraeus. eri
he put it all on the fbi. >> the fbi has its own protocalls in terms of how they proceed and i'm going to let director mueller and others examine these protocalls and make some statements to the public. >> now, the fbi is facing intense criticism over its handling of the investigation. perhaps, that's why robert mueller made an unexpected visit to capitol hill today to answer questions. at issue is the timeline of ooechblts and why it took as long as as it did for the pyeatt to find...
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she was cooperating with the fbi and that's led them to really want to find out. in interviews of both broadwell and petraeus, both deny he provided the information. we don't know what she said about who did in fact provide it to her or what the general's involvement is, but if it is at the general's election, then it seems to me that the general and whoever the subordinate is would be in harm's way, if you will, for a prosecution. >> ron, where do you think we are in this investigation? are we getting near the end where someone's going to say here's the bulk of what we know? are we still in the middle, the end? where are we? >> clearly, this keeps on unraveling. i think what we're going so see next is the result of the house and senate committee investigations as to why they were not informed because i know on a regular basis, the fbi informs those committees or at least the two top ranking people on those committees of much less sensitive investigations than this and yet they didn't tell them about this until after the election, so they're going to get the facts
she was cooperating with the fbi and that's led them to really want to find out. in interviews of both broadwell and petraeus, both deny he provided the information. we don't know what she said about who did in fact provide it to her or what the general's involvement is, but if it is at the general's election, then it seems to me that the general and whoever the subordinate is would be in harm's way, if you will, for a prosecution. >> ron, where do you think we are in this investigation?...
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the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and reporting. we've been unable to corroborate this in the time scale we've had tonight but you do have very good fbi sources. i want to turn to bob baer. he's the cnn does this make sense to you that this could be the sequence of events? >> oh, absolutely, but i tend to attribute more significance to the fbi of getting into petraeus' e-mails. the fbi, as a matter of course, doesn't look at affairs, doesn't read military officers' e-mails or cia officers. they have to be alerted to some sort of crime or counterintelligence problem. i can only speculate what that would be.
the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and...
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it's the fbi. you dent think they are going to follow up? have you never watched an episode of any show ever? really? >> and really unnamed fbi agent, you became obsessed with a woman while investigating her in an e-mail scandal and then e-mailed her shirtless photos. really? weiner, chris lee, brett favre, it's 2012. it's time to recognize the male physique carries zero allure. stop sending us pictures of it. >> don't you watch "homeland"? that show is this exact story line. i defy you to find one happy character in that whole show. no really. go ahead. >> really? >> really. defend your gender. >> that's pretty good. >> i used to write novels and sometimes i look at things that happen in life and it's like if you put that in a novel. and i was doing magic realism. even in a novel, this would not work. it would not be believable. you can't help but mwonder if a modern shakespeare who would write this novel. i would imagine it would be a combination of e.l. james meets tom clancy and write "50 shades of red october." it would look really cool
it's the fbi. you dent think they are going to follow up? have you never watched an episode of any show ever? really? >> and really unnamed fbi agent, you became obsessed with a woman while investigating her in an e-mail scandal and then e-mailed her shirtless photos. really? weiner, chris lee, brett favre, it's 2012. it's time to recognize the male physique carries zero allure. stop sending us pictures of it. >> don't you watch "homeland"? that show is this exact story...
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when the president talked about the fbi has a protocol. they followed it but clearly it didn't make its way up to the president. still questions about why this investigation began whether it was appropriate for the fbi to investigate this. fran townsend, appreciate it. there is new information on jill kelley and her husband scott. they started a charity and dissolved it later. >> drew joins me, what have you learned? >> another twisted part of this tale. as jill kelley was entertaining top military brass in her backyard she and her husband were battling a bank and court because the documents show the red brick house that we have been showing purchased in 2004 for $1.5 million four years later the bank files to foreclose on the kelly's because the bank says they hadn't sent in a mortgage payment since september 2009. the kellkelleys show they are n other lawsuits involving money and the kelley family. >> what about the charity? >> it was called the dr. kelley cancer foundation. it was to conduct research and efforts of term ali ill patients
when the president talked about the fbi has a protocol. they followed it but clearly it didn't make its way up to the president. still questions about why this investigation began whether it was appropriate for the fbi to investigate this. fran townsend, appreciate it. there is new information on jill kelley and her husband scott. they started a charity and dissolved it later. >> drew joins me, what have you learned? >> another twisted part of this tale. as jill kelley was...
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they say the fbi is sensitive to its past when former director j. edgar hoover gathered personal details about government officials to get what he wanted. >> the only reason the fbi should have notified congress was if general petraeus was found to have leaked classified information. that was not the case. so the fbi followed its protocols and did the right thing in this case. >> general petraeus is not the only high-ranking official mixed up in this scandal. general john allen, the top american commander in afghanistan is now being investigated for alleged inappropriate communications with jill kelley. again, she's the woman who reportedly received threatening e-mails from paula broadwell, the woman with whom petraeus was having an affair. general allen took over the command in afghanistan from petraeus after petraeus was tapped for the cia. now officials are reviewing up to 30,000 pages of communication between allen and ms. kelley. you're running a war, general, seriously, 30,000? it's not clear if the e-mails involved sexual material or classifi
they say the fbi is sensitive to its past when former director j. edgar hoover gathered personal details about government officials to get what he wanted. >> the only reason the fbi should have notified congress was if general petraeus was found to have leaked classified information. that was not the case. so the fbi followed its protocols and did the right thing in this case. >> general petraeus is not the only high-ranking official mixed up in this scandal. general john allen, the...
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fran and ron, author of the secrets of the fbi. fran, a really basic question here. if you just walk up to someone on a staff and say, hey, the general would like me to have classified documents, is that all there is to it? would they likely hand them over on that? >> no, but you have to understand the military culture. i visited petraeus in afghanistan on business and he walks into a briefing, he speaks to you about sensitive military matters, the staff sees that, there's a military culture and so, if you then ask for a document and suggest that the general has offered it to you in some way or sanctioned your having it, it's very difficult for a subordinate military member to either question the general's guest or the general himself about that. and so, it's not really clear, did petraeus actually direct that she could have theodis documents, did he chun kate with his subordinate soldiers and command, we don't know that so it remains unclear about the circumstances. >> so, ron, if it's a staff member who sees this sort of relationship or thinks they see such a relat
fran and ron, author of the secrets of the fbi. fran, a really basic question here. if you just walk up to someone on a staff and say, hey, the general would like me to have classified documents, is that all there is to it? would they likely hand them over on that? >> no, but you have to understand the military culture. i visited petraeus in afghanistan on business and he walks into a briefing, he speaks to you about sensitive military matters, the staff sees that, there's a military...
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rice going off talking points provided by the fbi and cia suggested the attack could have been linked to protests against an anti-muslim film. mccain had accused her of being unfit to become secretary of state and had vowed to block her nomination. >>> the muslim brotherhood is claiming on its website that one of its members, a 15-year-old boy, was killed today. and another 60 people injured in an attack on the group's headquarters in the egyptian town of daminaur. leaders say the boy was killed by thugs in "the total absence of police forces." let's go now to cairo where cnn's reza is following the story. help put this into context. what has happened here, and how that might impact so much activity that's taken place over the past 48 hours. >> reporter: first off we should tell you a spokesperson for the muslim brotherhood is also confirming this fatality. egyptian president mohamed morsi announced these controversial decrees on thursday. we've seen three days of intense protests. we've reported lots of injuries. this is the first fatality. according to the spokesperson for the musli
rice going off talking points provided by the fbi and cia suggested the attack could have been linked to protests against an anti-muslim film. mccain had accused her of being unfit to become secretary of state and had vowed to block her nomination. >>> the muslim brotherhood is claiming on its website that one of its members, a 15-year-old boy, was killed today. and another 60 people injured in an attack on the group's headquarters in the egyptian town of daminaur. leaders say the boy...
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why would the fbi be involved in this anyway? >> the fbi is supposed to investigate predicated federal crimes. and they don't know when they start an investigation precisely whether the evidence ultimately will show there was a crime. i don't know what they were told initially by this woman, or what they were told by anybody who was friendly with her who had the ear of somebody at the bureau. but with great respect, that's one of those subsidiary questions. it's an interesting if not then would this all have happened. that's sort of the cleopatra's nose theory. if she had an ugly nose, would history have been different. that's an interesting question to discuss but i don't think it's a fundamental one. >> this revelation that apparently the investigation was concluded four days before the election clearly somebody has decided, whoever that may be and i'm sure we'll find out in the forms of time, that the information should not be passed to the white house, although i share your concern about the white house's blanket denial they
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he's written books about both the cia and the fbi. do you believe the rivalry between the fbi and cia played any sort of a role in the petraeus downfall? >> well, cia does have a right to be furious and there is a scandal here but it is not about sex. adultery is not a federal crime. the scandal is that a single rogue fbi agent appears to have taken it upon himself to leak the raw reporting in this case to a member of congress. that's not how the game is played. that is a dirty business. >> you're talking about the agent that was contacted initially and wasn't part of the fbi investigation, but had some knowledge because he was the one that passed it on to his superiors, he then apparently went to someone who went to eric cantor, and that sort of started the ball rolling. that's not how this came out. is he really a major player in all of this? >> i think he should be and i think he will be. because that is dishonorable conduct. the fbi and the cia spent the second half of the 20th century at war with one another and their feuding was
he's written books about both the cia and the fbi. do you believe the rivalry between the fbi and cia played any sort of a role in the petraeus downfall? >> well, cia does have a right to be furious and there is a scandal here but it is not about sex. adultery is not a federal crime. the scandal is that a single rogue fbi agent appears to have taken it upon himself to leak the raw reporting in this case to a member of congress. that's not how the game is played. that is a dirty business....
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bob barrows also joins us and bob, let me ask you about this fbi investigation. it began in the early summer. the president was only informed after the election. his director of national intelligence informed at 5:00 on election day. congressional leaders were informed even after the resignation. defense secretary leon panetta was asked today whether capitol hill should have been notified sooner and said, i want to quote, that's another issue we ought to look at because as former director of the cia and having worked closely with the intelligence committees, you know, i believe there is a responsibility to make sure they're informed. did they handle this correctly? >> no. somebody dropped the ball. you never blind side the president. when a senior official in his administration under investigation when e-mails are being read, you inform the white house at a very high level. national security adviser. his council. even the president himself. you always do that. it's a standing protocol inside the federal government. never blindside the president. as far as i've se
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that's the fbi protocol, to keep them confidential. and i think what you're seeing right now over the weekend actually proves the point of what happens when something that has this kind of tabloid nature in addition to the fact that he's a high ranking officer of the intelligence community, if not one of the very highest, makes a reason to maintain the integrity of the investigation. >> one of the things that i was not aware of is that the fbi can access all classified cia e-mail. it's astounding. so given that, that's a lot of e-mail to go through. so perhaps that can added to the length of time that this took. and to my knowledge, it's not that they are looking for an affair. that's not illegal in the cia. they are not looking for an affair. they are looking for any product of an affair that could be constituted as illegal. with that in mind, doesn't protocol go out the window the moment an e-mail is found that constitutes the potential of classified information being in the hands of the wrong person of the mistress? >> i don't think
that's the fbi protocol, to keep them confidential. and i think what you're seeing right now over the weekend actually proves the point of what happens when something that has this kind of tabloid nature in addition to the fact that he's a high ranking officer of the intelligence community, if not one of the very highest, makes a reason to maintain the integrity of the investigation. >> one of the things that i was not aware of is that the fbi can access all classified cia e-mail. it's...
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when the president talks about the fbi has a protocol, from the fbi's perspective, they followed it, but clearly it didn't make its way up to the president. >> still questions about why the investigation began, whether it was appropriate for the fbi to even investigate this based on harassing e-mails. >>> new information in the finances of jill kelley and her husband scott, the florida couple caught up in the scandal. they started a cancer charity back in 2005, shortly after they moved to tampa, they dissolved it a couple of years later and they are facing several money drops. what have you learned? >> another twisted part of the tale. public records show as jill kelley was entertaining top military brass in her backyard, she and her husband, scott del kelley, were battling a bank in court because the bank says they weren't paying their mortgage. the red brick house we've been showing on tampa's exclusive bay shore drive, purchased in 2004 for 1$1.5 million. four years later, regions bank filed to foreclose on the kell kelleys, because the bank said they hadn't sent in a mortgage pay
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the fbi said those didn't come from petraeus. or did petraeus compromise himself by putting himself out there in a situation where he could be blackmailed. i don't know. those that do know, director of national security james clapper, dan feinstein who's on the national security committee. although she found out late, they've all looked at it and said, yes, this is a situation where petraeus should have resigned. it seems to be among those that have the details that are necessary the conclusion you have to reach. >> former cia guy robert baer says there has to be something more to this than just a sexual affair, l.z. especially in light of the benghazi hearings coming up. what do you make of that? >> i think general petraeus definitely needs to testify if for no other reason than to add some more validation to the fact that he felt he resigned because it was the honorable thing to do because of the extramarital affair. if he does not testify, it makes it look shady. that adds to me a greater blemish to his legacy than resigning b
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when you have those two things, that's the fbi's real role. in terms of the cia, they wouldn't have taken an investigatory look. i think they're going to have to deal with the shock of it all. >> paula introduced herself to david petraeus. she was a paratrooper, attractive, in great shape. petraeus has always be attracted to intellectual officers. she was writing a book. they used to in afghanistan, they would go on five-mile jogs together, but he goes out on file mile jogs with a lot of reporters who are capable, but it's a very strange and completely surprising. >> it is and i'll leave it with this, that paula broadwell just published this week, general david petraeus' rules for living. we all make mistake, learn from them, drive on and avoid making them again. next, we have more on the resignation. peter king, the chair of the homeland security committee with how it could put the u.s. at risk. plus, after spending millions to elect mitt romney, has karl rove lost his touch? a look at all the money spent and wasted this election and it has b
when you have those two things, that's the fbi's real role. in terms of the cia, they wouldn't have taken an investigatory look. i think they're going to have to deal with the shock of it all. >> paula introduced herself to david petraeus. she was a paratrooper, attractive, in great shape. petraeus has always be attracted to intellectual officers. she was writing a book. they used to in afghanistan, they would go on five-mile jogs together, but he goes out on file mile jogs with a lot of...
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in the early summer, the fbi began an investigation. the late summer, high level official at the fbi and justice department were notified. that investigators uncovered what appeared to be an affair between petraeus and broadwell. now, according to the "wall street journal," eric holder is among those who were informed. now, october 21st through november 3rd, that's the first time fbi agents interviewed both broadwell and petraeus. then on october 31st -- notified cantor's office. he passed on the concerns to robert mueller. now, on november 2nd, the fbi said there's tho evidence petraeus committed a crime and they rule out charges, then it is election day when james clapper is first informed of the investigation. at 5:00 eastern standard time. he called petraeus and advised him to resign. it wasn't until after the election the president was notified and on november 9th, friday, he accepted the resignation. house and senate bell where she knows leaders are then informed. bob barrows also joins us and bob, let me ask you about this fbi in
in the early summer, the fbi began an investigation. the late summer, high level official at the fbi and justice department were notified. that investigators uncovered what appeared to be an affair between petraeus and broadwell. now, according to the "wall street journal," eric holder is among those who were informed. now, october 21st through november 3rd, that's the first time fbi agents interviewed both broadwell and petraeus. then on october 31st -- notified cantor's office. he...
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when the president talks about the fbi has a protocol, from the fbi's perspective, they followed it, but clearly it didn't make its way all the way up to the president. >> still questions about why the investigation began, whether it was appropriate for the fbi to even investigate this based on just the idea of harassing e-mails. if they were even that. fran townsend, appreciate it. suzanne kelly. >>> there is new information in the finances of jill kelley and her husband scott, the florida couple caught up in the scandal. they started a cancer charity back in 2005, shortly after they moved to tampa, dissolved it a couple of years later and they are facing several lawsuits over money problems. drew griffin who is part of the cnn special investigation unit joins us with more on that what have you learned? >> another twisted part of the tale, anderson. public records show as jill kelley was entertaining top military brass in her backyard, she and her husband, dr. scott kelley, were battling a bank in court, because the bank claimed they weren't paying their mortgage. documents show the
when the president talks about the fbi has a protocol, from the fbi's perspective, they followed it, but clearly it didn't make its way all the way up to the president. >> still questions about why the investigation began, whether it was appropriate for the fbi to even investigate this based on just the idea of harassing e-mails. if they were even that. fran townsend, appreciate it. suzanne kelly. >>> there is new information in the finances of jill kelley and her husband scott,...
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i'm sorry. >> the fbi -- >> no. the fact is based on what we know now, there was no harassment concluded and nothing threatening. no one said the e-mails were threatening. i said -- i think what the point david is trying to make and a legitimate question, who was the underlying predicate that the fbi had with the citizen got an e-mail to open up the preliminary inquiry? i don't think it's clear and becomes not about the threat or the harassment, whatever you want to call this thing related to kelly, this becomes the fbi's cyber division is concerned that petraeus's private e-mail is hacked in to. that's why they continue this and the crime they're looking at. this is a red herring about harassment of jill kelly, a private citizen and a social liaison. ludicrous. that's not a predicate. >> do you think they overstepped that? >> go ahead, tom. >> determination would be made that, you know, what's the content of these messages? they would take that to the u.s. attorney's office and determine whether or not this might b
i'm sorry. >> the fbi -- >> no. the fact is based on what we know now, there was no harassment concluded and nothing threatening. no one said the e-mails were threatening. i said -- i think what the point david is trying to make and a legitimate question, who was the underlying predicate that the fbi had with the citizen got an e-mail to open up the preliminary inquiry? i don't think it's clear and becomes not about the threat or the harassment, whatever you want to call this thing...
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see, what the fbi -- the fbi got authority under the current foreign intelligence surveillance act to issue national security letters. they can do that inside the fbi without going to a u.s. attorney. my point is there may have been a predicate here, but it's not clear that there was. if the fbi is going to investigate every harassment case, because it's on the internet, they're going to be shut for business and not be able to do anything else, right? so you make judgments about when is there a predicate and is this a priority. that's not clear until you trace this for awhile and get to petraeus, and the question i'm raising is why, what was the predicate, why did they pursue it. >> once it gets to petraeus, tom, and i want your expertise here, what would happen? because i would imagine as soon as they realized david petraeus is involved, there must be a whole series of hoops they have to jump through or markers they have to hit. >> once they identified paula broadwell as the sender of the messages to kelley, then they subpoena the rest of her records and they see an exchange of anony
see, what the fbi -- the fbi got authority under the current foreign intelligence surveillance act to issue national security letters. they can do that inside the fbi without going to a u.s. attorney. my point is there may have been a predicate here, but it's not clear that there was. if the fbi is going to investigate every harassment case, because it's on the internet, they're going to be shut for business and not be able to do anything else, right? so you make judgments about when is there a...
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there's some pointed criticism being corrected at the fbi right now. >> that's right. this was a big topic of conversation on all the sunday shows here. a lot of forceful talk with members of congress on both sides. let's listen real quick to what new york representative peter king, a republican, had to say on "state of the union" this morning. >> the fbi director have the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest state. so it's been going on for several months, and now they are saying the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up. >> so peter king, as you heard him say, he has a lot of questions. he wants to know when the investigation began and if they got a court order. a lot of questions from him. we also heard from diane feinstein who is the democrat who is the senate intelligence committee share. . she's going to investigate why they weren't notified earlier. they weren't informed until friday. so several days later. so a lot of questions and this is just the beginning
there's some pointed criticism being corrected at the fbi right now. >> that's right. this was a big topic of conversation on all the sunday shows here. a lot of forceful talk with members of congress on both sides. let's listen real quick to what new york representative peter king, a republican, had to say on "state of the union" this morning. >> the fbi director have the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest state. so it's been...
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>> and susan, you said we don't know how long the fbi was investigating. do we know the obama administration knew about this before the election? >> no, but wouldn't we all love to know the answer to that. that really is a burning question. it's just days after the election and something like this comes out. but clearly, something like this had been going on for a while. it wasn't -- you know, it's not likely that a couple days after the election, general petraeus had sort of a crisis of conscience and decided this is the time now for me to come clean on everything. which also makes you wonder, did other people know about this, and was there a possibility they could have used this against him or to blackmail him in any way? that would have spoken directly to his ability to hold a security clearance and protect those secrets as well, anderson, so lots of unanswered questions, but i'm told more will be coming out in the coming days. >> i guess oert questithe other did the administration, if they did know about it, decide not to let this be announced before t
>> and susan, you said we don't know how long the fbi was investigating. do we know the obama administration knew about this before the election? >> no, but wouldn't we all love to know the answer to that. that really is a burning question. it's just days after the election and something like this comes out. but clearly, something like this had been going on for a while. it wasn't -- you know, it's not likely that a couple days after the election, general petraeus had sort of a...
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set off the initial fbi investigation into paula broadwell. now e-mailses that multiple law enforcements tell abc were traced back to biographer paula broadwell. in yet another twist in this case, the fbi conducted a consensual search of broadwell's home last night. >>> meanwhile, an internal fbi inquiry has been launched into the agent who started the investigation and who tipped off republican members of congress about it, a senior government official telling nbc news, the agent sent shirtless photos to jill kelley prior to the investigation. now, as the inquiries into allen and petraeus move forward, congress is reconvening on capitol hill about the original fbi investigation. >> the elements on in some ways of a hollywood movie, once this investigation, whenever david petraeus's name came up, they had an only giggs to tell the president. >> the defense secretary leon panetta telling reporters that congressional intelligence leaders should have been notified and much sooner. >> i believe that there's a responsibility to make sure that the i
set off the initial fbi investigation into paula broadwell. now e-mailses that multiple law enforcements tell abc were traced back to biographer paula broadwell. in yet another twist in this case, the fbi conducted a consensual search of broadwell's home last night. >>> meanwhile, an internal fbi inquiry has been launched into the agent who started the investigation and who tipped off republican members of congress about it, a senior government official telling nbc news, the agent sent...
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and then there is the serious parter the fbi. en toless rogue agent manages to set off a series of convenients. >> and he was a friend of jill kelley who toppled this investigation. >> this is huge. and do we want the fbi to have an agent who's able to do this in a series of actions? >> and there's still questions, serious questions about the fbi procedures in this. if indeed they concluded early on that there was no national security or criminal issue here, then why didn't it stop right there? >> and why did director claerp -- >> why did it become public? i'd like to know. >> why didn't director james clapper at that point say there is no reason to resign. >> oh. you're saying why didn't he say that. he's the white house official who essentially pushed petraeus out. let's come back to the media coverage. sigh these stories as an attempt to keep the story alive. jill kelley visited the white house three times. once was a tour and once when she had lunch with a low level official. even things that are technically true, with they'r
and then there is the serious parter the fbi. en toless rogue agent manages to set off a series of convenients. >> and he was a friend of jill kelley who toppled this investigation. >> this is huge. and do we want the fbi to have an agent who's able to do this in a series of actions? >> and there's still questions, serious questions about the fbi procedures in this. if indeed they concluded early on that there was no national security or criminal issue here, then why didn't it...
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to have the fbi investigating or monitoring and surveilling the e-mail account of the director of the cia for four or five months, they would have to get a federal court order to do that and now we're hearing there is no crime involved. for that to go on for a long period of time for something that is not criminal and yet if they go -- if the fbi felt it was important enough to get a federal court order, it's an obligation to tell the president of the united states that the cia director was involved, at least the focus of the investigation, whether or not he was a target, he was involved in something that could make him susceptible to blackmail. it's hard to believe that this went on for so long without anybody being told at the white house. i would think that the fbi has an obligation to tell the president that this type of investigation was going on and the white house was told about it the very day of the elections. it raises a lot of questions and this doesn't added a up. >> why weren't the house and senate intelligence committees alerted? >> my understanding is that the house int
to have the fbi investigating or monitoring and surveilling the e-mail account of the director of the cia for four or five months, they would have to get a federal court order to do that and now we're hearing there is no crime involved. for that to go on for a long period of time for something that is not criminal and yet if they go -- if the fbi felt it was important enough to get a federal court order, it's an obligation to tell the president of the united states that the cia director was...